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Looks like it would work better than a shopping cart! (Don't laugh, I have actually seen 2 guys rolling a V8 engine down the sidewalk in a shopping cart!) ROTFLMAO Being more of a wood butcher than a metal maker, I'll probably go with a crate.

Now that I think of it, considering all the other stuff I've done, seems odd I never learned to arc weld. I'm OK with a torch but I never had a welder around to play with. Besides it helps to have friends who are good welders.

(Does welding gold bridges in Dental school count?... Yeah I spent 3 yrs at U of M Dental school... class of 1980. Decided to teach high school instead and have summers off like my wife... long story, thread drift buzzer is wailing.)

Maybe I'll just get a couple Sumo wrestlers to grab the 454 and toss it around for me.


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Steve, when were you at U of M? I was there from 1956 to 1960 and I'm guessing it was several years before you were in dental school.
I like the Sumo wrestler idea. But they might be wider than the 454 ROTFLMAO
Jim


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I like the Sumo wrestler idea. But they might be wider than the 454 ROTFLMAO
Jim


Yes, but the Sumo might be a little more compressible than the 454 to squeeze through the door. .


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Yes, but the Sumo might be a little more compressible than the 454 to squeeze through the door. .

Which could lead to the begining of a joke. It could start along the lines of
"What happens when you try to squeeze a 500# Sumo wrestler through a 32" wide door?".
Answer?


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First you build a platform under the engine.







Then you build a box crate around the oil pan, attach wheels and roll it away! Mechanic







I will span the steps with a platform, roll the engine to the door and yank it out with the backhoe. The door is 24" and the 454 is 23". Thumbs Up



Phase two is almost done. The first steps on a long journey to Mary Ray in Tennessee. Tooling Along

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Then you build a box crate around the oil pan, attach wheels and roll it away! :


That looks like what I use for engine storage.


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We don't measure anything, we cut it to fit...


And if it's too short, we cut it again...


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A+ for creativity Steve, kind of like dry docking you Dads boat. Nice Job!

And to think you never learned the art of arc welding. If you really want to try welding get ahold of a mig welder set the feed and power dial according to metal thickness, turn on the gas and pull the trigger. But than again that's what friends are for.

Buy the way next GTG don't forget your dental tools.
 
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Then you build a box crate around the oil pan,

DETAILS, details, details.... even little safety retention straps from iron block to wooden crib.

An interesting story in pictures.
I salute you, again, doc.
 
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DETAILS, details, details.... even little safety retention straps from iron block to wooden crib.

Those aren't safety straps those are dolly box lifting straps. Makes sure the box comes out the door with the block! Wink
 
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DETAILS, details, details.... even little safety retention straps from iron block to wooden crib.

Those aren't safety straps those are dolly box lifting straps. Makes sure the box comes out the door with the block! Wink

That is exactly what I was telling a friend tonight when I described it.
 
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You guys should all be ashamed. Look what you've done to me. You know I am a confessed Barth junkie and still you encourage me. You're all a bunch of enablers... nono

Not just you guys that post here. You lurkers, too... I was touring the forums the other day, noticed the number of views for my threads. confusion

This thread: 1672 already.
crankshaft 6400
HEI upgrade 6000
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brakes 3000
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air bags, Hydroflame, trans, air dams, TV, exhaust 2000 each
headers, AC, gauges, cruise, starter, Honda gen 1000 each

Sure, keep teasing me with your attention. Thanks a lot. head bang

Seriously folks, I want to thank all of you who have looked at my projects and made so many useful comments. Collectively this is pretty good stuff for people to read, I guess.

I was pleased, not surprised, to discover that if I Google various topics on RV maintenance, many of the hits are for this site. We are highly over represented based on the small number of Barth owners, even smaller number who post threads here. The number of views continues to climb long after the thread drops off the current list, so others must be visiting. Bravo!

Actually, don't get me wrong. As I have said before, I don't really like you people. I only do this to document how special and uniquely well maintained my coach is, so when I sell it there will be a bidding war and I'll actually get my money out of it. ROTFLMAO

My name is Steve... I'm a Barth junkie... I better get back to work on that engine now...


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I am a lurker....

I am currently between rides, but I love reading about what you guys are doing. I am confused however. Years ago I swapped motors (small block Chevy) in my '80's Chevy van. I took out the grille, dropped the bumper and reached in through the front with my cherry picker and and plucked out said motor. presto change.
 
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The 454 big block motor is taller than it is wide. On the P3X chassis there is a frame member in front of the engine. To go out the front you have to remove the bumper, cut out the crossmember and the bottom apron of the front grill opening.


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It was another good day on the project but unfortunately I have no pictures of the actual swap.

I wheeled the old engine to the doorway. My neighbor showed up with his backhoe. He had a piece of pipe chained to the bucket, like a unicorn! We poked the pipe into the doorway, lifted the engine and he backed right out with it. It is resting near the garage.



The new engine we lifted same way, single pipe through the chain loop, up and in the door and onto the dolly! Thumbs Up

No problems really. The old engine made a mess when the last of the coolant decided to drain out onto the platform and the steps below. Quick cleanup, then the new engine went right into the cradle. GM puts nice brass freeze plugs in the new block but the paint will need touchup on the block.



Unfortunately I was too busy too take pictures, the whole swap only took about 15 minutes.

Now to lower the 454 HO beast into place! Mechanic


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