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Diesel Fuel Additives
01-06-2007, 09:45 PM
stuallenDiesel Fuel Additives
Does anybody have a specific recommendation?
Rusty says in another post: One "final note - except for one station, all the disel fuel available was ultra-low (15 ppm) sulfur (whereas low-sulfur is 500 ppm). The lower sulfur content means that an injector pump lubricant is absolutely necessary for any mechanical injector pump."
What do I buy and where do I get it?
Stu Allen
01-06-2007, 10:26 PM
MWrenchHere are a couple of websites that I found and have ordered some of the additives that are mentioned.
Diamond Diesel Stanadyne corpMost all injector companies agree that the low sulpher fuel will cause increased wear and tear on the pumps, so I guess I will foloow their reasoning, rather be safe then sorry. If I find more, I will post
Ed
94 30' Breakaway #3864
30-BS-6B side entry
New Cummins 5.9L, 375+ HP
Allison 6 speed
Spartan chassis
K9DVC
Tankless water heater
01-06-2007, 11:33 PM
RustyI had no chance to get the Stanadyne additive before I left, so I got the CRC Cummins-approved product. Matt at Peninsular said ashless 2-cycle oil also works well.
Rusty
"StaRV II"'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP
Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers
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01-07-2007, 12:28 PM
MWrenchI have been thinking that 2 stroke oil should work well, it is designed for use in high friction, diluted areas, and is further designed to be combustable. The only issue is "mixture"? How much to a tank or per gallon. I would generally assume that it wouldn't take much because even low sulpher diesel has some lubricity where gasoline has very little.
Time for more research!!
Ed
94 30' Breakaway #3864
30-BS-6B side entry
New Cummins 5.9L, 375+ HP
Allison 6 speed
Spartan chassis
K9DVC
Tankless water heater
01-07-2007, 12:38 PM
Gary CarterThe oil companies have stated that a replacement lubricant will be added to the fuel.
'92 Barth Breakaway - 30'
5.9 Cummins (6B) 300+ HP
2000 Allison
Front entrance
01-07-2007, 08:55 PM
RustyMost additives are recommended for 500:1 ratios; diesel fuel itself is a fairly good lubricant.
I suspect that eventually, an additive will appear in the fuel at the pump, but I'm not holding my breath. I suspect a few lawsuits for premature IP failure against fuel suppliers will be necessary before the practice becomes widespread.
Rusty
"StaRV II"'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP
Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers
Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering. - Arthur C. Clarke
It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
01-07-2007, 09:33 PM
stuallenThanks, guys for the info. It looks like the Stanadyne stuff is good insurance for the time being. The best price I've found on the net is at
www.blueridgediesel.comIt runs about $20/ 1/2 gal. + shipping which treats 240 gal. of fuel so it will be about $.10 per gallon fuel burned. I appreciate the help.
Stu
01-07-2007, 09:57 PM
RustyI think the CRC obtained locally is much more economical and no less effective. This ain't rocket science - the product isn't packed with additives, and it has to be completely combustible. Even soy oil has been recommended.
Rusty
"StaRV II"'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP
Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers
Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering. - Arthur C. Clarke
It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
01-07-2007, 10:44 PM
Bill N.Y.quote:
Originally posted by Rusty:
I suspect that eventually, an additive will appear in the fuel at the pump, but I'm not holding my breath.
According to the people at the tanker farms I deal with its being done.
quote:
Originally posted by Rusty:
I suspect a few lawsuits for premature IP failure against fuel suppliers will be necessary before the practice becomes widespread.
Like any industry there are people who will rip you off. When fuel is delivered via tanker the people (at the tanker farms) on the ground do a field analysis. They then mix additives (lubricity/anti-jell/red dye) to the formula as its being pumped into the holding tanks or into the tanker trucks.
The tanker farms are the final quality control before we get this stuff. They can decline a tanker load if it doesn't meet minimum standards.
If there are people out there who would not add certain stuff to the fuel tanks then it can only be controlled at the distributors.
Protection should be used when buying fuel. Go ahead and add lubricity type products. I only use FPPF products in my fuel tanks. In this area I use no additional additives for lubricity. I trust both local tanker farms and have not seen any of my local accounts developing any premature injection pump failures.
Bill N.Y.
01-08-2007, 12:24 AM
RustyAround here, there's no way to get a definite declaration of what's being done. AT about $17 for 3500 miles, I'll use the additives until some suppliers declare theirs have the additives included.
"Oil's cheaper than metal."
Now where have I heard THAT before? Rusty
"StaRV II"'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP
Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers
Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering. - Arthur C. Clarke
It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
01-08-2007, 11:36 AM
garrypI have always used the Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement stuff available at uncle wallys, even before ULS. It claims to be a lubricant, anti-gel, water dispersant,etc. - contains their SlickDiesel.
Does anyone else use this stuff?
http://www.powerservice.com/01-08-2007, 01:35 PM
RustyI haven't, but if it's easier to get than the CRC, I'll look into it...
Rusty
"StaRV II"'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP
Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers
Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering. - Arthur C. Clarke
It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields