Even my Jag has benefited from wider wheels and tires. Oh, it slides nice!

It depends - on my SOB Class C, I had 16.5s with 6.5" rims. Three wheels (at least) had warps. Decent replacements weren't available, so I went with 8x16s with 6" rims; the tires have 25% more capacity. I did have to have adaptors machined for the difference in bore.

I've put 7K miles on the new shoes, and have been delighted...the only thing is the rolling diameter is larger than the 16.5s, so I have to watch the speedo....even though I also replaced the spare, it's nice to know the replacment wheels/tires can handle the rear on one unit in case I lose one...

So in choosing a replacement, I'd seriously consider the load capacity...

hi new bellcranks work better then new tires and big bars up front work great no sway carl

Hi Bill:

Great posting with the flame job behind the wheel wells.

Well you have compelled me to find out how to link a picture. I'm the guy in the picture below on the bowsprit wearing a top hat and holding the umbrella.

As you may guess from the picture and given I have a pre-smog vintage Barth, side pipes connected to the headers is not outside what I may do one day.

To those of you that suggested that the load rating for the tires be checked before purchase, thank you. This is a good point.

There are also some thoughtful posting I found from last August that discuss the handling changes possible on a 22 foot Barth on a P30 frame.


There is so much helpful stuff here, thanks to everyone and especially Dave.






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Timalana Thats what I call control. JKB All who wander are not lost

JKB:

Moments after the picture was taken my feet flew out from under me, lifted by the umbrella I pirouetted into the head sail. Nice (read fortuitous) recovery if I do say so myself. The inner-child thrives!

The get up is from a trip down Baja with a bunch of other boats. At the costume party I was a witch doctor. I "cured" people by feeding them maraschino cherries I had soaked in 151 Rum for a few months. For the people that did not drink the cure was small galss of ginger ale and regular maraschino cherry. We had a good time.


Life rocks, well with a Barth Life rocks.

Timothy


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Timalana; I have had my days on brothers 32' on Lake Michigan (cold even in the middle of summer) he is in his fifth year or redoing a 38', can't wait to go out in it. JKB all who wander are not lost

Hmm. A motorsailer ketch with a standing lug rig, and a big lapper hanging off the foremast. Sailboats don't get much weirder than that. And a wild man waving an umbrella while standing on the rail of the bow pulpit. I bet he drives a Barth.

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Originally posted by olroy:
Hmm. A motorsailer ketch with a standing lug rig, and a big lapper hanging off the foremast. Sailboats don't get much weirder than that. And a wild man waving an umbrella while standing on the rail of the bow pulpit. I bet he drives a Barth.

Roy, I was gonna ask what the heck was that boat, but you described it quite well, except that it might be a schooner rather than a ketch. Words alone do not do that boat justice. A picture is indeed worth a thousand words.

Tim, is there a story behind that boat? I saw similar in the South China Sea, but not with that much jib.

Well, it is indeed a "schooner", but not one of common ilk...

Bill, you're right, it's a schooner, not a ketch. I'd call it a junk, but the hull seems to have western lines. On the other hand, the stern appears to stick up like a junk. But junks typically have stubby un-stayed masts. This one has a tall, skinny mainmast with stays. And if junks fly jibs, they're usually smaller, and battened like the other sails. It looks like one man's dream, but whatever it is, i'll bet there ain't another one just like it.

Gentlemen:


Your observations are spot on. Thank you.

Thomas Clovin designed the boat; he calls the design a gazelle. The boat is steel.
http://www.thomasecolvin.com

Olroy is correct the rig is formally called a standing lug rig (no one knows this wow). In the vernacular it is commonly called a junk rig.

Bill and Olroy are also correct the boats in the south china sea do not use a foresail and there are no stays (wires that hold the mast up). This level of observation is what makes the postings here such a delight to read. The Chinese approach allows the operator to just let the sails fly and they will rotate around the mast until they point into the wind and the boat will stop. If I were to start from scratch, I think I would build heavier masts to allow this approach.

Rusty is correct the mast in the back is taller than the mast in the front so she is a schooner. Bill also hit the fact the head sail we were flying was never part of the design. It is a used spinnaker we found at Minnie’s used marine parts in Newport.

The hull is western but the cabin in the back is a marked change from traditional designs.


The boat is easy to sail with one or two people, down-wind. As the wind speed changes the sail is just hoisted or lowered, on most boats this is a three person job on this boat it is easy to do alone; no need to call "All hands on deck". Up-wind she is a motorsailer.

There are some parallels to the Barth, the design is function driven, simple and hence elegant but not something that follows the common aesthetic.

Timothy




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I wondered if Thomas Colvin had a hand in it., he advocates steel hulls & standing lug rigs. Many years ago I had study plans for "Gazelle." The hull lines in your photo don't resemble my recollection of the design., but I only saw it in plan view, not underway.

I would venture to say that that craft has NOTHING of "common ilk".

Hi all, sorry I didn't respond on the wheels. I have what were called Ellis Safewide Wheels. My tire size is 33x12.5R16.5. Ellis went out of business and then opened up again as Boxer Wheels. They have folded also. Before they folded they changed to 16 inch wheels which was wise because 16.5 inch tires are becoming rare. I use Dunlop Rover ATs which have a really nice tread. I run at just 50 psi. They run remarkably strait and soft as a car. I guess there just wasn't a big enough market for them.

I do worry however, about being in the boonies and having a flat. My regular 19 inch spare will work in a pinch. Only 6 lugs though.

The tires in the picture were Bridgestones as I recall. I swapped them for the Dunlops because these were too knobby and loud.



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