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Supporting Member of Barthmobile.com 5/12
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A Mechanic suggested changing the 3.52 gear in my Dana 80 to a lower i.e. 3.00 gear to lower the rpm so I can cruise in the operating range of my B5.7
any thoughts? I Know it will hurt my 0-60 but oh well.
Wayne



 
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If it were I, I'd leave the 3.52 gear in (it's already the tallest I know of on a Breakaway). Your engine has already had its power upped, and going to a 3.00 runs the risk of the engine lugging, unless transmission shift points are raised - negating the change.


Rusty


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with the 8R tires 60 mph is 2180rpm 65 is 2360 which is at the top of the operating range.
a 3.0 would give me 1860 at 60 mph and 2010 at 65
wouldn't that be in a better part of the operating range?
Wayne



 
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Are you sure you have a 3.52 ratio rear end on your Breakaway. Most have a 3.73. Mine has 4.1 but I have a 6 speed with a double O/D, (5th & 6th)

I can assure you, you will not be happy with a lower numerical ratio. It will be a real dog off the line and the benefits of the cruise will not benefit the cost.

Check the metal tag on the diff to make sure what ratio you have.

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Ed
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IIRC, the 4th gear in your tranny is OD,so your calculations would be off.


Rusty


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'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

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Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
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4 speed Allison trans do not have O/D and I don't think the torque converter locks either.


Ed
94 30' Breakaway #3864
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New Cummins 5.9L, 375+ HP
Allison 6 speed
Spartan chassis
K9DVC
Tankless water heater
 
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Thanks! I couldn't remember. My 4L80E with .75 OD yields 1750 @ 60 mph with the 3.73.


Rusty


MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP; built-to-order by Peninsular Engines:  Hi-pop injectors, gear-driven camshaft, non-waste-gated, high-output turbo, 18:1 pistons.  Fuel economy increased by 15-20%, power, WOW!"StaRV II"

'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
- Arthur C. Clarke

It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
 
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Ed is right. 3.73 is the ratio and the 542 does not lock up.

There is or was a 3.43 available for the Dana 80. But the problem is the transmission. I had problems with my 542 overheating in the hills due to the torque converter slipping. Change to a 3.43 and it will slip even more.

I have a data sheet on a 1542 which was a 542 with a lockup converter. Tried to find one with no luck before finding my 2000. Lots of internet sites advertised they had them until you called and they had no clue what I wanted.

The only good answer is a transmission swap. Either the Allison 1000 or 2000 with work if setup right.


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Has anyone looked at a 2 speed differential maybe 3.00/4.11 . Just a thought
Wk



 
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I did. None available for the Dana 80. I went thru every thing you are now doing.

Think TRANSMISSION.


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2000 Allison
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Hi Gary: you said in the thread where you were putting in the new trans, that you would do a complete write up when you finished. Do you know the link to that write up? thanks for all your help
Wayne



 
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any idea on gear ratio on a 33 ft 454 turbo 400
 
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My guess on the one in Findlay is a 4.11. I think that coach has 16.5" wheels. Our 31' has a 4.56, but has 19.5' wheels.


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