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454 HO engine swap
06-30-2015, 11:22 PM
Steve VW454 HO engine swap
This is what I hope to see when I look closer tomorrow. I will get a better light and crawl in there better. If I'm sure it is the seal, I'll replace it. If I can't find a seal problem I'll pull the timing cover for a really close look.
good trick with the sheet metal screws, works every time.
to be continued:
9708-M0037-37MM-01
"98" Monarch 37
Spartan MM, 6 spd Allison
Cummins 8.3 325+ hp
07-02-2015, 06:44 PM
Steve VWquote:
Originally posted by MWrench:
Is that seal installed flush all the way around. Can't tell real well from the pictures but it almost like the seal is further out of the front cover at the top of the seal. I am looking at the seals orange sealant and it doesn't appear even top to bottom. Seal further in at the bottom?
It appears the Ed gets the cigar!
Initial inspection shows the seal to be installed improperly. It was 48 degrees last couple mornings, I didn't feel much like playing with Barth. I'll get a close look and replace it soon.
to be continued:
9708-M0037-37MM-01
"98" Monarch 37
Spartan MM, 6 spd Allison
Cummins 8.3 325+ hp
08-04-2015, 09:57 AM
Steve VWPulled the harmonic balancer, it appears the seal did not seat around the outside perimeter. A little gasket sealer would have done the trick when installed…
Plenty of room for the puller/installer: (Notice the gray paint… no more "factory black")
Replaced the seal, balancer. Replaced the water pump with new high volume unit. Replaced the fan clutch. Replaced the power steering pump. Ready for PS hoses.
Test drive soon.
9708-M0037-37MM-01
"98" Monarch 37
Spartan MM, 6 spd Allison
Cummins 8.3 325+ hp
Let me get this right. Cleaning up storm damage, finishing the dog house insulation project, fixing a hole in the roof and ceiling and finishing the seal replacement and assorted upgrades at the same frickin time
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve as always entertained and inspired by you!
Dana & Lynn
1997 38ft Monarch front entry
Spartan Mountain Master Chassis
Cummins 8.3 325hp
Allison MD-3060 6 speed
22.5 11R
Cummins Factory Exhaust Brake
8000 watt Quiet Diesel Generator
9608-M0022-38MI-4C
Christened Midnight
1972 22ft
72081169MC22C
Christened Camp Barth
08-05-2015, 08:08 AM
Steve VWI can't seem to get anything done so I just jump around putting out fires. Might even DRIVE the coach one of these days...
Besides, I have a few things that need work on the boat, too.
Did Lynn's leg heal OK? I hate to think of you without a helper when the snow starts again next week.
Cool summer again this year. 49 degrees last night, August! So far no AC.
9708-M0037-37MM-01
"98" Monarch 37
Spartan MM, 6 spd Allison
Cummins 8.3 325+ hp
08-05-2015, 01:13 PM
Dave RNice work Steve, paint looks good, did you repaint the whole motor or just the front? I feel your pain about not being able to get anything done ,I am stalled now on projects on my Barth that I just can't seem to get back to,oh well in due time.
It seems we have the same curse too handy and know to many trades, we tend to never job anything out so when ever something that needs maintenance (the fires that pop up) comes along we are pulled away before completion.
That and I assume you are like me,when ever a family member or friend needs something fixed our projects takes the back seat.
Sound familiar?
Three Times A Charm
88 30' Regal John Deere
Hot Rod Lincoln
511 Cubic Inches
8712-3499-30J-A
08-05-2015, 06:00 PM
Steve VWSounds like you are my twin brother, just can't say no to a friend… (good for you)
I just repainted the front of the engine. I will paint the rest when I work on that. Just finished installing new power steering pump and lines. Had to fabricate one pressure line from brake to steering gear. Refilled power steering and cooling system.
see here:
https://www.barthmobile.com/eve...1087061/m/3033979587I will install new steel lines from transmission to cooler tomorrow and be ready to test drive, finally.
9708-M0037-37MM-01
"98" Monarch 37
Spartan MM, 6 spd Allison
Cummins 8.3 325+ hp
quote:
Did Lynn's leg heal OK? I hate to think of you without a helper when the snow starts again next week.
Cool summer again this year. 49 degrees last night, August! So far no AC.
Lynn is getting Better every day whether or not she believes it. I promised her a new shovel for this winter!
Headed out to finish the skylight. I have to sit still long enough to figure out how to do pics again. I have been using my smarty phone to take pics sometimes.
Dana & Lynn
1997 38ft Monarch front entry
Spartan Mountain Master Chassis
Cummins 8.3 325hp
Allison MD-3060 6 speed
22.5 11R
Cummins Factory Exhaust Brake
8000 watt Quiet Diesel Generator
9608-M0022-38MI-4C
Christened Midnight
1972 22ft
72081169MC22C
Christened Camp Barth
08-07-2015, 11:29 AM
crouch38Steve , I'm ready to install the oil cooler lines on my new 454 HO.
I did a google search to see which ports were the in & out. Results were, the oil supply line coming out of block is closest to the oil filter.
Also it said, the stock bypass valve's (11 psi) should be changed to high pressure bypass valve's (30 psi) or very little oil will go through the oil cooler. (Part # 25161284 high pressure valve)
And a special fitting on the oil supply line (out) should be put on to keep ALL the oil going to the cooler . (part # SD 1540)
Did you do this to your new 454 HO ??
Can you give me your thoughts on this ??
Thanks again , Bob
Year:: 1986
Model:: Barth Regal
Length:: 25 ft
Engine:: New Chevy 454 HO
Chassis:: P-30
Data Tag Number:: 8606 3339 25FP2
08-07-2015, 01:21 PM
Steve VWI was a bit spooked by the GM cooler setup. It appears to be a bypass cooler at best, 3/8 inch lines, divertor valve, etc.
I opted for a full flow cooler setup. The adapter fits between the block and the spin on oil filter. It has 1/2 lines, is full flow when needed, and has a bypass valve for when cold and not needed. I did install the higher pressure valve you mentioned.
I used an adapter from Derale Performance. I think it was Part #15720.
9708-M0037-37MM-01
"98" Monarch 37
Spartan MM, 6 spd Allison
Cummins 8.3 325+ hp
08-07-2015, 11:54 PM
crouch38That adapter you got looks like the one on my stock 454 engine except for the oil line fittings.
So I assume you used rubber oil cooler lines from the adapter, by looking at the fittings.
Thanks, Bob
Year:: 1986
Model:: Barth Regal
Length:: 25 ft
Engine:: New Chevy 454 HO
Chassis:: P-30
Data Tag Number:: 8606 3339 25FP2
08-08-2015, 07:50 AM
Danny ZWhen I broke a line working on something else, I had the local hose shop fab up new braided stainless lines. I think they were about $140, but they should last forever.[I have the block between the engine and filter.]
79 Barth Classic
08-09-2015, 10:12 AM
crouch38Thanks Danny , I'll keep that in mind .
I'm going to work on coach today. Thinking of replacing them all just for peace of mind .
Bob
Year:: 1986
Model:: Barth Regal
Length:: 25 ft
Engine:: New Chevy 454 HO
Chassis:: P-30
Data Tag Number:: 8606 3339 25FP2
08-09-2015, 01:16 PM
Steve VWI reused the old solid tubes from the OEM 454 adapter, instead of the hose barbs. They reach to the front of the oil pan. Then I used oil cooler hose from engine to cooler. I am not using the radiator oil cooler, I have an after market cooler mounted in front of, and below the radiator. The hoses are about 18 inches long. Braided hose would indeed be the long term answer.
9708-M0037-37MM-01
"98" Monarch 37
Spartan MM, 6 spd Allison
Cummins 8.3 325+ hp
08-10-2015, 10:09 AM
crouch38Thanks again Steve , Bob
Year:: 1986
Model:: Barth Regal
Length:: 25 ft
Engine:: New Chevy 454 HO
Chassis:: P-30
Data Tag Number:: 8606 3339 25FP2