Forums    General Discussions    Is that one big Barth or what?
Page 1 2 3 4 
Go to...
Start A New Topic
Search
Notify
Tools
Reply To This Topic
  
Is that one big Barth or what?
 Login now/Join our community
 
FKA: noble97monarch
Supporting Member of Barthmobile.com 3/12
Picture of Moonbeam-Express
posted Hide Post
How cool that we intercommunicate! It may be that in the future, Newells, Barths, and Wanderlodges need to band together for sheer force of numbers.

I've always loved the Newells and the Wanderlodges, but I still wish to know what exactly Newell builds their frames out of. I'm sure it's steel, but is it stainless steel or standard steel? Having owned an MCI that had quite a bit of both materials, I found there was a considerable amount of rot in the standard steel components despite my bus having been in the desert for most of its life. This has made me very alert to the corrosion issues that abound in almost all climates.

Now, there are no ulterior motives here to dis anything, all the above mentioned Marques are fantastic machines, but I'm trying to decide if I ever did move up to a larger coach (and Cheri is dead set against the concept) what would it be.

At present, I would only list the Prevost, MCI, Van Hool and Dina as possibles, but I'd love to add the Newell.

You can call me paranoid, but I grew up in the auto industry where there was a saying that "rust never sleeps"!!

Corey




Formerly: 1997 Barth Monarch
Now: 2000 BlueBird Wanderlodge 43' LXi Millennium Edition DD Series 60 500HP 3 stage Jake, Overbuilt bike lift with R1200GS BMW, followed by 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited,
“I haven’t been everywhere, but it’s on my list.”
 
Posts: 2307 | Location: Laurel Park, NC | Member Since: 03-16-2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Supporting Member of Barthmobile.com 6/12
Formally known as "Humbojb"
Picture of Jim and Tere
posted Hide Post
I've alway thought that the Unihome Foretravels were very fine motor homes. For that matter, they still are. Their full monocoque chassis was introduced in 1987. I think it's only in their 300 series.
Jim


Jim and TereJim and Tere

1985 Regal
29' Chevy 454 P32
8411 3172 29FP3B
Gear Vendor 6 Speed Tranny
 
Posts: 3160 | Location: madisonville tn usa | Member Since: 02-19-2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Supporting Member of Barthmobile.com 3/11
Picture of Tom  and Julie
posted Hide Post
One of our "hobbies" is design and construction of the early Cobra, known more as Shelbys, from the 1962-67 era. Ours is not the fiberglass Kit Car but is a purpose designed car. In 2004 we designed and built new tubular frames of stainless steel but we researched the issues. Basically thee 300 and 400 series stainless steels are stiff and non forgiving of torque and bending. They will remain in a new position when torqued thus it is not suitable for stress applications. In short, if you torque the metal it will bend ad stay there so your frame will then be permanently bent. The solution we found was an alloy called 3CR12 Stainless which has a 12% carbon content (it is magnetic) and it has a memory so it returns and acts like mild steel. It does not rust (will discolor) and is easy to tig weld. I am not aware of any vehicle manufacturers who use this substance, most supercars and Corvettes use aluminum, so I do not think it will show up in heavy commercial vehicles. It is not difficult to build a frame of the same dimensions and geometry as a motorcoach but I think industry does not have any incentive to make them last. We have to since we have customers with 25 year old cars on the road with less than 20,000 miles on them. Google 3CR12 and you can see the properties and applications, (if it is raining and you have trouble sleeping).
Tom


1993 32' Regency Wide Body, 4 speed Allison Trans, Front Entry door, Diamond Plate aluminum roof &
1981 Euro 22' w Chevy 350 engine and TH 400 tranny
 
Posts: 1368 | Location: Houston Texas | Member Since: 12-19-2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
FKA: noble97monarch
Supporting Member of Barthmobile.com 3/12
Picture of Moonbeam-Express
posted Hide Post
Tom,

Great insight. I wonder if MCI and Prevost use that material in their SS members? I suppose a commercial bus might absorb the additional cost as they will undoubtedly be driving in salt and adverse environments, whereas most RVs will stick to better regions.

As much as a Newell is a premium price, I believe the commercial bus chassis is as much or more empty!

I know when I was big onto bus converting, the Eagles were popular, but has severe corrosion issues. Most had to be stripped to the framing and rebuilt back out to be safe for conversion.

Bottom line, you get what you pay for and nothing lasts forever.

Corey




Formerly: 1997 Barth Monarch
Now: 2000 BlueBird Wanderlodge 43' LXi Millennium Edition DD Series 60 500HP 3 stage Jake, Overbuilt bike lift with R1200GS BMW, followed by 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited,
“I haven’t been everywhere, but it’s on my list.”
 
Posts: 2307 | Location: Laurel Park, NC | Member Since: 03-16-2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Supporting Member of Barthmobile.com11/10
Picture of Bill & Sonja
posted Hide Post
Hello fellow Barthers, I can report that the Newell that was a source of good fun here has indeed become a Canadian. It made the trip from Benson AZ to Calgary, Alberta, with style and grace, the only hiccup being a minor grounding issue with the coach batteries.
Our reason for going to the Newell was intuition (rather than tons of research) that led me to the conclusion that there was a good chance I wouldn't be disappointed with the switch after having 2 Barths. We were (and still are) totally happy with our 33 SE but it seemed a little more room would be nice for the longer trips we plan to take soon. We bought the Newell from two of the nicest and most genuinely accommodating folks I have ever encountered and we feel really lucky to have fallen into such a great deal. Thus far the Newell has not disappointed a seasoned Barth family and we think it looks like its going to stand up under time and serious scrutiny.
I really appreciated bill_ny so kindly consenting to being available for phone adivice if I ran into mechanical difficulties along the way. The comfort of knowing I could call Bill if problems arose was a huge contributor to peace of mind when embarking on a 1600 mile drive with totally unfamiliar equipment. THANK YOU BILL!! To comment on the Detroit 8V92 / 4 spd Allison - fantastic! I love it along with the rest of this great outfit.


1987 Newell ~ 40ft Widebody
2x f/o's: 1988 Barth - 33 Ft. SE tag axle & 1976 Barth - 24 Ft.
 
Posts: 127 | Location: Calgary - Alberta & B.C., Canada | Member Since: 09-17-2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
FKA: noble97monarch
Supporting Member of Barthmobile.com 3/12
Picture of Moonbeam-Express
posted Hide Post
Sounds like a great new member of your family. Please keep us posted here as Barth people don't have many choices in upgrades. Good luck with the new beauty, eh?

Corey




Formerly: 1997 Barth Monarch
Now: 2000 BlueBird Wanderlodge 43' LXi Millennium Edition DD Series 60 500HP 3 stage Jake, Overbuilt bike lift with R1200GS BMW, followed by 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited,
“I haven’t been everywhere, but it’s on my list.”
 
Posts: 2307 | Location: Laurel Park, NC | Member Since: 03-16-2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata Page 1 2 3 4  
 

    Forums    General Discussions    Is that one big Barth or what?

This website is dedicated to the Barth Custom Coach, their owners and those who admire this American made, quality crafted, motor coach.
We are committed to the history, preservation and restoration of the Barth Custom Coach.