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Hello All,
I'm new to the site and am looking to see if there is any interest in 2 1981 MCC by Barth Coaches. They are my Father-In-Laws and have been in storage for a long time and I would like to see if anyone is interested in buying one or both.

As far as details, they are at my Father-In-Laws which is 2.5 hours away so I don't have specifics but will be going home for Easter so I can answer any questions after that. I do know he is the 2nd or 3rd owner of both for over 30 years and they have less than 50,000 miles on them. My wife and I drove one about 10 years ago to the beach and mountains and it drove like a dream. The other has not been ran in probably 10 years. They have both been in a building for storage and are dusty but in immaculate condition. Please contact me if you have any questions.

Thanks, J
 
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Welcome. One of the things that would be good to know is if the front axles have been upgraded. These were the dream rides of the day and word has it they were the choice of Charles Curralt with his "On the road with Charles Curralt" TV segments. The original axles were reputed to be undersized for the weight, otherwise a wonderful coach. Looking at one in 2001 was my first introduction to this site and Dave Bowers.
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I'm pretty sure the front axles have not been updated but I will ask my Father-In-Law to confirm. Thanks for the advice.
 
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the choice of Charles Curralt with his "On the road with Charles Curralt"


The motorhome which he used was a FMC in 1973... NOT any 1981-1982 MCC coaches!!


http://www.americanheritage.co...road-television-show

http://rememberingcharleskuralt.com/

http://www.salon.com/1999/06/08/kuralt/


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Please contact me if you have any questions


Forgot to put my contact info.
jayandneri@yahoo.com
704-659-1127

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I went home over Easter and was only able to get one picture of one coach. I can get more if there is any interest in purchasing one or both.
 
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I cannot figure out how to get the picture on here but I did make it my avatar. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Where are the coaches located?

Price range??

Condition?

VIN # ?


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The coaches are located about 1 hour south of Raleigh NC.
Unfortunately, I was unable to get the VIN's while I was home or any other pictures for that matter. Kids kept me busy. I do plan to go back in the next month or so and will get more information then.

As far as condition and price, Basically my Father-In-Law has owned them since the mid 80's and used one regularly until about '93. They were then driven at least once every month or two until around '99 and were then just started once a month until about '05. Except the one in the picture which my wife and I took to the mountains and beach in 2004-2005. Drove like a dream and every thing worked great. After 2005 they have sat waiting for their next owner. So, they are in good condition for sitting a while. Also, they both have less than 50,000 miles on them (if I remember correctly).
Price? Well what do you think they are worth? I know its kind of unorthodox but lets talk. Please give me a call or email and we can discuss everything.
I will get more information posted here as quickly as I can. If someone is very interested, I will be more than happy to meet you and show them to you sooner.
Thanks, Jason
 
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I spoke with Jason today. He is going to ask $15000 for each of these motor homes. He will be posting the data tag information at the end of May. Please understand he is not able to get this information or pictures up until then. Thank you all members for your patience. Interested buyers should contact Jason at 704-659-1127.
 
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Pictures are finally here!


























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It is unfortunate that statements like "The original axles were reputed to be undersized for the weight" are posted on the internet. And no, the MCC was not the one used by Charles Kuralt, that was the FMC, with the Dodge 440 gasser and drum brakes. MCC/Barth made major improvements to the design. What is this "front axle upgrade" that is referenced? Urban legend?

The front axle is a transverse leaf spring design, independent suspension, and well designed using medium-duty truck sized components. It is rated at 7,500 lbs and from my experience rebuilding the assembly and driving the coach, it is worthy of the rating. Like any nearly 40-year old vehicle that spends a tremendous amount of time sitting, they will suffer "lot rot", meaning ball joints and other components will dry out and corrode. The original joints were non-greaseable. Upgrading to greaseable ball joints and tie rod ends makes a world of difference, as does replacing bell crank and idler arm bushings and making sure everything can be greased. One of my grease fittings was improperly drilled and tapped from the factory, so the idler arm suffered from never being greased properly after leaving the factory. After replacing the above mentioned components and aligning the front end, mine drives great. If you've ever been under the MCC chassis and studied it, you will find that it is well designed. Admittedly, some suffered from poor assembly and should be thoroughly inspected.
 
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Please go down the linked page to Lester Hoagland's post.
http://tinyurl.com/hg99mhp

You are right these were not the Kuralt coaches, I think that misinformation came in a conversation years ago. The MCC Barth was my introduction to Barthmobile in 2001/2002. I found one for sale near where I was working, found this site, joined and queried Dave Bowers, we had several conversations and recommended I speak to Mr. Hoagland. After that conversation and additional information about the specific coach I passed but continued to be interested in possibly purchasing a Barth and followed this site. Currently I feel I may have "aged out" of the multiple project arena but maintain interest in following the projects and travels of what I like to think of as my cyber friends.
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I think Mr. Hoagland's post more or less confirms what I said. Neglect is the killer, not under-design. Interestingly, I have scaled mine and it is nowhere near 23,000 lbs. 18,940 lbs total; 6,780 on front axle (-200ish for driver) and 12,160 on rear axle. 1,260 lbs is a bit light for passengers and cargo, but for two it's not terribly unreasonable.

I've read that the fiberglass MCC after production ended up weighing more than originally planned. That may explain some upgrading that occurred later in production. Mine was earlier in production and perhaps didn't get the heaviest option package. Anyway, as I said, after replacing normal wear components and upgrading to greaseable parts, it drives great. Also after a complete brake system rebuild including master cylinders, and a flush & fill with DOT 5 fluid,it stops much better than I would have expected given the negative comments I've seen. I would guess that the complaints about brakes have more to do with lack of maintenance than the actual brake design. I drove mine home 200 miles after buying it, and the brakes were marginal. I was shocked at how bad the master cylinders and calipers were when I got it apart. The brake fluid appeared very, very old and contaminated. Brake fluid should be flushed and replaced about every three years, especially on something that sits most of its life.

I think for the time the MCC/Regency was designed and built, they were comparable to most motorhomes on the road, and better than many. Sure, things have improved over the years, but given the nearly 40-year old design, they are a pretty darn nice coach.
 
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