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Well, after the UBRVRAPE Memorial day GTG, I went to DAV and got the structures' locations finalized.

While I was at Nick's, I decided to get the long-deferred drivetrain upgrade, with a new HD billet-cut/welded-fin torque converter, exta-HD tranny rebuild with Trans-Go kit. Later an aftermarket tranny controller will be installed.

Here's StaRV II at the Deluxe Spa at Webb's Transmissions in Fort Walton Beach, where they had a lift (barely) large enough. The Webb-owned SunCoast Converters, right around the corner, is doing the rebuild. Cost is about 4 Cagles, but this should be the last tranny in the coach (it's the 4th).



Rusty


MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP; built-to-order by Peninsular Engines:  Hi-pop injectors, gear-driven camshaft, non-waste-gated, high-output turbo, 18:1 pistons.  Fuel economy increased by 15-20%, power, WOW!"StaRV II"

'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
- Arthur C. Clarke

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Um Rusty, when does it get traction bars and slicks?
 
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Do you expect better fuel economy with this addition or just the peace of mind knowing it should be your last? Lots of money but hey,..you get what ya pay for.
 
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Eric - already have traction bars - another 100k miles on these tires, they'll be slicks.

K&T, slightly better fuel economy - the stock torque converter doesn't lock up strongly.


Rusty


MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP; built-to-order by Peninsular Engines:  Hi-pop injectors, gear-driven camshaft, non-waste-gated, high-output turbo, 18:1 pistons.  Fuel economy increased by 15-20%, power, WOW!"StaRV II"

'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
- Arthur C. Clarke

It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
 
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The difference with the new drivetrain is startling. The engine used to run at 2600 RPM @55. Now, with the TC lockup working properly, 2200 RPM.

I still need to mess with the throttle position sensor, as I had it dialed way down to try to get the old TC to lock. It doesn't want to unlock at the moment.


Rusty


MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP; built-to-order by Peninsular Engines:  Hi-pop injectors, gear-driven camshaft, non-waste-gated, high-output turbo, 18:1 pistons.  Fuel economy increased by 15-20%, power, WOW!"StaRV II"

'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
- Arthur C. Clarke

It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
 
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Rusty - Is that a 4L80E upgrade?
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Pretty much. New clutches, valves, operating parameters. Most important are the new torque converter and strengthened input shaft.


Rusty


MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP; built-to-order by Peninsular Engines:  Hi-pop injectors, gear-driven camshaft, non-waste-gated, high-output turbo, 18:1 pistons.  Fuel economy increased by 15-20%, power, WOW!"StaRV II"

'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
- Arthur C. Clarke

It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
 
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With a 400 RPM difference, I would bet that the torque converter wasn't locking up at all! That is a huge difference!

I have had several trucks with the GM diesel/4L80E and all I can say is the tranny really gets a workout behind the diesel. The gas units lasted much longer then the diesel units. It probably comes down to the power/compression pulses of the diesels that is much more violent. As you found out, the torque converter and input shafts are the major weak points.


Ed
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It probably comes down to the power/compression pulses of the diesels that is much more violent. As you found out, the torque converter and input shafts are the major weak points.


The next upgrade will be a Fluidampr silicon-filled crankshaft damper.

After 500 miles, it looks like fuel economy is up by 0.5 mpg to 11.0.

Of course, since "No good deed goes unpunished!", I had to replace the shore power plug from onboard spares here at Deerlick (the old one was getting very hot). And after I finished putting in the plumbing stubs (contractor is pouring concrete slabs tomorrow), I backed the coach up 20', and it shed its fan belt...A/C compressor locked up again...


Rusty


MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP; built-to-order by Peninsular Engines:  Hi-pop injectors, gear-driven camshaft, non-waste-gated, high-output turbo, 18:1 pistons.  Fuel economy increased by 15-20%, power, WOW!"StaRV II"

'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
- Arthur C. Clarke

It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
 
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A/C compressor locked up again...
How many times has that happened Rusty? Frowner You might want to carry one of these with you... A/C Bypass Pulley Assembly

We have them on our service trucks for emergency repairs. Why do you suppose this keeps happening? Is it the pulley/clutch assy that fails or is it the pump that fails?


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Of course, since "No good deed goes unpunished!", I had to replace the shore power plug from onboard spares

Rusty, was that from the switchover at Nicks?


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No, the plug has been deteriorating for several months.


Rusty


MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP; built-to-order by Peninsular Engines:  Hi-pop injectors, gear-driven camshaft, non-waste-gated, high-output turbo, 18:1 pistons.  Fuel economy increased by 15-20%, power, WOW!"StaRV II"

'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
- Arthur C. Clarke

It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
 
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You might want to carry one of these with you... A/C Bypass Pulley Assembly



Good idea. I checked Rockauto for my 84 gasser with no luck. Any suggestions? Actually, any bearing/pulley for a 3/8" V belt could probably be adapted.


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Why do you suppose this keeps happening? Is it the pulley/clutch assy that fails or is it the pump that fails?


The shaft locks; declutched, it runs free.


Rusty


MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP; built-to-order by Peninsular Engines:  Hi-pop injectors, gear-driven camshaft, non-waste-gated, high-output turbo, 18:1 pistons.  Fuel economy increased by 15-20%, power, WOW!"StaRV II"

'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP

Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers

Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering.
- Arthur C. Clarke

It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields
 
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The reason for this upgrade was to combat an engine that was running a little warm. The theory was the torque converter was bad... So, is the engine running cooler now too?


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8908 0128 40RDS-C1
L-10 Cummins
Allison MT647 Transmission
Spartan Chassis
Regal Conversion1991 Medical Lab Conversion
9102 3709 33S-12
Ford 460 MPFI
C6 Transmission
Oshkosh Chassis



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